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I Am A 66 Year-old Male. I've Had Night Terrors

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Posted on Fri, 14 Jul 2023
Question: I am a 66 year-old male. I've had Night Terrors since age 10. I could not sleep normally - especially at night. I could not find treatment until the age of 25 I began at age 15. In 1977, My physician, at Presbyterian Hospital, in XXXXXXX TX. Prescribed me Ativan – that quickly - my 15 years of nightmares disappeared immediately! However, Ativan did not help me go to sleep. Finally, my doctor added another Benzodiazepine, Halcion. A drug that would become famously abused and misused by the public – but I always followed my doctor’s instruction – as prescribed, and never have had any issues for over 4 decades! I have been successfully taking this cocktail for over 41 years - until recently. My last of 5 prescribing physicians, since 1977, retired recently & now everyone freaks out I have taken this regiment 41 years, & fear to continue prescribing me. I’ve been cut off Halicon, but continued on Ativan – since no alternative has been found, first, for the Halicon. Only using Ativan – I sleep in 45 minute periods, and where I use to only be in bed 6 to 9 hours – now I am in bed for 15 hours a day & have had to quit making art – for lack of sleep – suffering mild to moderate, but well-defined Sleep-deprivation. I contacted Pfizer as to whether they had, or were conducting current studies over, "Long-term Use," of their Benzodiazepines. They haven't, and aren't expecting to anytime soon. All data published that I find say I should have quit Benzodiazepines 40 years ago, but I didn't, and they have been responsible for me living a, "Near-to-normal," Lifetime during which, in these past 25 years - I have experienced increased cognitive function - allowing me to make advancements in the area of Digital Art - specifically since after 2000. I am the exception to the rule it would seem - but no one will believe me - or try to help me. It seems I am now suffering ageism, where doctors just ignore my pleas and try to find replacement therapy. Anyone who would study me could determine for themselves I am not suffering cognitive dysfunction. If I am to continue my career as a Digital Artist, I must continue my 41-year-old regiment. I even offer to sign waivers to release my doctors of any responsibilities that might result from my continuing my course. I am not a, “Patient Seeking Medication from Doctors,” an Architype as currently defined since the, “Opioid Crisis.” We all know that not everyone can be fit into the same cookie-cutter - as most everyone else. Some people are just different - physiologically. Ask any Centurion what vices they have that should have taken their life decades earlier - some things just cannot be explained that fall outside conventional wisdom. I am in that quandary...
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Answered by Dr. Seikhoo Bishnoi (32 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
Other drugs can be used.

Detailed Answer:
Hello thanks for using ask a doctor service

I can understand your problem. Ativan is Lorazepam and is a short-acting drug. The drug has effects on sleep rhythm and thus probably helped in reducing your symptoms of nightmares.

It’s not advisable to use benzodiazepine drugs regularly in individuals of more than 60 years ago because of multiple risks. One risk effects on cognitive functions and memory. The progression of dementia becomes rapid. The risk of sudden falls at night also increases drastically. This occurs because of raised sedation. This is the reason probably your doctors (new doctors) are not advising these medicines.

Your current issue is poor sleep and this can be treated with other medicines. Trazodone can be used for sleep. The drug can be used safely in your case and has no serious side effects. The drug can be used with Ativan too. This will help in reducing the nightmares too. Other options are Amitriptyline or Mirtazapine or even low dose Olanzapine or Risperidone. You can talk with your doctor about these medicines.

Thanks and Take care

Please let me know if you have more doubts.
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Follow up: Dr. Seikhoo Bishnoi (2 hours later)
Dear Dr. Bishnoi,
Thank you for your reply. I have exhibited no signs of cognitive failure. I have tried Trazodone - to no effect. Other options I have tried to no effect were XXXXXXX Amitriptyline, and Hydroxzyine. I had negative, ill-side effects trying both Seroquel, and Chlorpromazine - which made me very ill for days - after taking one on the 1st night - to no effect I could tell - then two on the 2nd night, which - after 12+ hours created some sort of hangover that really disturbed my body, and changed my bedtime rhythm from 5:30 am to 8:30 am. This is the time I become most tired - thus allowing the Ativan the maximum opportunity to be effective. Without the Halcion - to put me to sleep... With Ativan - I may get 6 to 8 hours of steady sleep. Without the Halcion, I get two hours of sleep, then I'll dose off for near 40 minutes every hour for as long as I can go without either becoming unable to sleep, or beginning to have unsettled dreams. My unsettled dreams today - versus 41 years ago, are more sophisticated and eerie - where as a child, onto becoming a young adult - my nightmares back in the old days were more like 'horror movies' - where monsters would hunt me, and eat me alive. Nowadays, I'm more often confronted by devious people, with evil intentions. I am often gutted with a sword, or large blade - my guts spill out upon my feet, and I awake. It makes my next few early waking hours unsettled, as I go on and take care of my daily duties. I think that watching adult movies {not Porn}, in recent decades, fare with more sophistication, plots, and thought-provoking plots - have changed the landscape of all of my dreams - the good and the bad!...
I have not taken Mirtazapine, or low doses of Olanzapine or Risperidone. I will offer these as suggestions to my doctor when we next meet, on, or just before the 13th of Sept. - when my Ativan Prescription needs renewal... The drugs I mentioned above - were attempts by my PCP, and now, my Psychiatrist - to replace the Halcion. I suspect, if he [the Psychiatrist] can find a substitute for the Halcion - then he will likely try to replace the Ativan as well. I feel like my life has been stolen. My career was rising - I was getting interviews over my special work, and people were becoming more interested in involving my work in their venues, or their shows, publications, etc. However, I now, cannot work, since 6/30/18, and I seriously wonder if my career has be stolen from me - all was fine for 41 years - then my last doctor of 17 years, my age, decided to retire, and replacing him has been impossible. I am not even sure how much longer my current Psychiatrist will continue to offer me Ativan… I feel like the world has let me down... This all caught me totally off guard - I had no idea there was going to be an issue with my medication before there was a problem with my medications! So I'm older - they told my mother the same thing - & she stayed or her life's med regiment until her death of natural causes, at 84, in 2015. I was her Caregiver for her last 11 years. I cannot give up yet - my work is too important -and, I have spent 49 years developing it - hate to see all of my effort go to waste - I sacrificed so much for my career along the way - including not having children - so depressing for me now - there is no one who will care for me...
Sincerely, Brad XXXXXXX Moore
www.alphasight.com
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Answered by Dr. Seikhoo Bishnoi (13 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Other drugs can be tried.

Detailed Answer:
Hello again, thanks for asking a follow up question

This is a good thing that you are engaging yourself in good work. This increases your health and well being and ultimately also increases your age. They stopped Helcion but there are replacements like long acting drugs like Clonazepam. You can talk with your doctor for that. Clonazepam in equivalent doses has long duration of action and shall help in sleep.

You can ask them to increase the dose of Ativan. Increasing the dose will help in its effects on sleep too and the action will be relatively longer.

Talk with them regarding Olanzapine or Risperidone in low doses. Amoxapin is an antidepressant and has great actions in insomnia. You can talk with your doctors for this drug too.

Right now you are off Helcion and this is the withdrawal phase. This will go by own in some days and the quantity of sleep will improve to some extent by own.

Thanks.

Still have doubts please don't hesitate.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Seikhoo Bishnoi (30 hours later)
Dr. Seikhoo Bishnoi,

Thank you for your time, and work. I will call my doctor today & make my next apt... I will write him a note over my recent observations, and give him a list of Meds to investigate - if he is not familiar with any of them in his practice - then we will see what the next step will be. I do feel, the last several days like I might be coming into a, 'new normal,' , I agree that an increase of Ativan might be a good path. Medicare says they can allow me up to 5 per 24 hours. I presently am taking 3 per 24 hours. I will close our discussion & do my review in the next 24 hours. Thank you, again, for your suggestions and insights - they have been helpful in helping me feel more confident that this issue can be resolved.
Sincerely, Brad XXXXXXX Moore
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Answered by Dr. Seikhoo Bishnoi (5 hours later)
Brief Answer:
The dose of Ativan too can be increased.

Detailed Answer:
Hello again

Yes you should have talk with your doctor for these medicines. Increasing the dose of Ativan is also a good option because you have tolerated this drug since long and there will be no acute side effects.

You can contact me any time for any help.

Take care
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I Am A 66 Year-old Male. I've Had Night Terrors

Brief Answer: Other drugs can be used. Detailed Answer: Hello thanks for using ask a doctor service I can understand your problem. Ativan is Lorazepam and is a short-acting drug. The drug has effects on sleep rhythm and thus probably helped in reducing your symptoms of nightmares. It’s not advisable to use benzodiazepine drugs regularly in individuals of more than 60 years ago because of multiple risks. One risk effects on cognitive functions and memory. The progression of dementia becomes rapid. The risk of sudden falls at night also increases drastically. This occurs because of raised sedation. This is the reason probably your doctors (new doctors) are not advising these medicines. Your current issue is poor sleep and this can be treated with other medicines. Trazodone can be used for sleep. The drug can be used safely in your case and has no serious side effects. The drug can be used with Ativan too. This will help in reducing the nightmares too. Other options are Amitriptyline or Mirtazapine or even low dose Olanzapine or Risperidone. You can talk with your doctor about these medicines. Thanks and Take care Please let me know if you have more doubts.