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Posted on Thu, 27 Jun 2019
Question: I have had artery stenoses all over my brain come and go, and lacunar strokes near these arteries over a four year period. The doctors are unable to find out why. Differential diagnoses are: intermittent arterial spasms, cerebral vasculitis, showers of embolic clots. Atherosclerosis has been ruled out. Can you see any obvious pattern or cause?
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
I have had artery stenoses all over my brain come and go, and lacunar strokes near these arteries over a four year period. The doctors are unable to find out why. Differential diagnoses are: intermittent arterial spasms, cerebral vasculitis, showers of embolic clots. Atherosclerosis has been ruled out. Can you see any obvious pattern or cause?
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (11 minutes later)
I have uploaded images of my stenosis history and stroke history. Also a couple of MRI and MRA descriptions of strokes and stenosis, showing they occur in multiple places at once, which is highly unusual. Anything jump out at you regarding a possible cause?
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
I have uploaded images of my stenosis history and stroke history. Also a couple of MRI and MRA descriptions of strokes and stenosis, showing they occur in multiple places at once, which is highly unusual. Anything jump out at you regarding a possible cause?
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (4 minutes later)
An IR angiogram done last July said “very mild narrowing is noted at the origin of the A1 segment, mid M1 segment and also proximal inferior M2 segment. tortuosity is noted in the proximal V1 segment of the vertebral artery. Mild narrowing is noted at the distal basilar artery. Mild irregularity is noted in the course and caliber of the right P1 segment and also left P2 segment.”

I am currently having TIAs several times a month, but no new strokes. My blood pressure varies from 60/30 to 225/110.
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
An IR angiogram done last July said “very mild narrowing is noted at the origin of the A1 segment, mid M1 segment and also proximal inferior M2 segment. tortuosity is noted in the proximal V1 segment of the vertebral artery. Mild narrowing is noted at the distal basilar artery. Mild irregularity is noted in the course and caliber of the right P1 segment and also left P2 segment.”

I am currently having TIAs several times a month, but no new strokes. My blood pressure varies from 60/30 to 225/110.
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (4 minutes later)
Another doctor has said these are the various possibilities to explain my recurrent ischemic episodes: heart, migraine, anxiety, bp, or some intermittent allergic reactions of the cerebral arteries to some allergen. What do you think?
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Another doctor has said these are the various possibilities to explain my recurrent ischemic episodes: heart, migraine, anxiety, bp, or some intermittent allergic reactions of the cerebral arteries to some allergen. What do you think?
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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (3 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Vasculitis needs to be excluded.

Detailed Answer:
Hi,

Thank you for posting your query.

I am Dr Sudhir Kumar, Neurologist, and would try my best to help you.

I have noted your clinical details and also seen the MRI and MR angiogram brain reports. I agree with most of what your doctors have mentioned.

In my opinion, there are two distinct causes.

First, high BP is the major cause of multiple infarcts in brain and narrowing of brain arteries.

Second, CNS vasculitis needs to be excluded. In vasculitis, there is inflammation of blood vessels, leading to narrowing. Further investigations would require blood work (such as ANA, C-ANCA, P-ANCA, etc), DSA (digital subtraction angiography) and brain biopsy (in selected cases) to confirm the diagnosis.

I sincerely hope my reply has helped you.

I would be pleased to answer, if you have any follow up queries or if you require any further information.
     
Best wishes,     
Dr Sudhir Kumar MD (Internal Medicine), DM (Neurology) XXXXXXX Consultant Neurologist
Apollo Hospitals, XXXXXXX
For DIRECT QUERY to me: http://bit.ly/Dr-Sudhir-kumar
My blog: http://bestneurodoctor.blogspot.com/

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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Brief Answer:
Vasculitis needs to be excluded.

Detailed Answer:
Hi,

Thank you for posting your query.

I am Dr Sudhir Kumar, Neurologist, and would try my best to help you.

I have noted your clinical details and also seen the MRI and MR angiogram brain reports. I agree with most of what your doctors have mentioned.

In my opinion, there are two distinct causes.

First, high BP is the major cause of multiple infarcts in brain and narrowing of brain arteries.

Second, CNS vasculitis needs to be excluded. In vasculitis, there is inflammation of blood vessels, leading to narrowing. Further investigations would require blood work (such as ANA, C-ANCA, P-ANCA, etc), DSA (digital subtraction angiography) and brain biopsy (in selected cases) to confirm the diagnosis.

I sincerely hope my reply has helped you.

I would be pleased to answer, if you have any follow up queries or if you require any further information.
     
Best wishes,     
Dr Sudhir Kumar MD (Internal Medicine), DM (Neurology) XXXXXXX Consultant Neurologist
Apollo Hospitals, XXXXXXX
For DIRECT QUERY to me: http://bit.ly/Dr-Sudhir-kumar
My blog: http://bestneurodoctor.blogspot.com/

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Yogesh D
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (4 hours later)
Thank you for your answer.

My personal neurologist at UCLA thinks I have cerebral vasculitis, currently in remission. I had blood tests which showed positive ANA 1:80, lupus and Sjogrens disease. I had an IR cerebral angiogram which I presume used digital subtraction angiography since it was done on a fluoroscopy table. The study concluded that vasculitis could not be ruled out. Here is the impression on the report:

IMPRESSION:
1. Mild narrowing and irregularity is noted in multiple intracranial large vessels as described above including the left middle cerebral and bilateral posterior cerebral arteries. These findings are nonspecific and might suggest intracranial
atherosclerotic disease given her history of hypertension and diabetes; however, CNS vasculitis is not completely excluded. Clinical correlation is recommended.
2. Right transverse sinus is hypoplastic.

I sought a second opinion at XXXXXXX Clinic and they did a Testla 3 MRI with special sequences which confirmed the narrowings seen in the IR angiogram. The XXXXXXX Clinic neurologist ruled out vasculitis because the MRI contrast did not light up the narrowings. He said if inflammation were present, it would have lighted up. My UCLA neurologist said that interpretation was not widely recognized and he did not agree with it to rule out vasculitis. So, who do I believe? Should I get a third opinion at another hospital to break the tie? Should I have another IR angiogram?

I have taken multiple blood pressure medicines since the strokes started in 2015 to control my intermittent high blood pressure. Nothing has worked. I continued to have strokes and TIAs. I started verapimil today. Maybe that will work. It is supposed to relax the blood vessels.

What could be the cause of high blood pressure? The stroke symptoms start when my blood pressure is slightly elevated (140-160). As the symptoms progress, my blood pressure rapidly skyrockets within a half hour to 160, 170, 180, 190, 200. Then I have hemiparesis or hemiparalysis and dysarthria, and my blood pressure is 200-225. It seems to me the escalating blood pressure is a reaction to the TIA, not the cause.

Please explain why you have ruled out intermittent arterial spasms, showers of embolic clots and atherosclerosis as causes.
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Thank you for your answer.

My personal neurologist at UCLA thinks I have cerebral vasculitis, currently in remission. I had blood tests which showed positive ANA 1:80, lupus and Sjogrens disease. I had an IR cerebral angiogram which I presume used digital subtraction angiography since it was done on a fluoroscopy table. The study concluded that vasculitis could not be ruled out. Here is the impression on the report:

IMPRESSION:
1. Mild narrowing and irregularity is noted in multiple intracranial large vessels as described above including the left middle cerebral and bilateral posterior cerebral arteries. These findings are nonspecific and might suggest intracranial
atherosclerotic disease given her history of hypertension and diabetes; however, CNS vasculitis is not completely excluded. Clinical correlation is recommended.
2. Right transverse sinus is hypoplastic.

I sought a second opinion at XXXXXXX Clinic and they did a Testla 3 MRI with special sequences which confirmed the narrowings seen in the IR angiogram. The XXXXXXX Clinic neurologist ruled out vasculitis because the MRI contrast did not light up the narrowings. He said if inflammation were present, it would have lighted up. My UCLA neurologist said that interpretation was not widely recognized and he did not agree with it to rule out vasculitis. So, who do I believe? Should I get a third opinion at another hospital to break the tie? Should I have another IR angiogram?

I have taken multiple blood pressure medicines since the strokes started in 2015 to control my intermittent high blood pressure. Nothing has worked. I continued to have strokes and TIAs. I started verapimil today. Maybe that will work. It is supposed to relax the blood vessels.

What could be the cause of high blood pressure? The stroke symptoms start when my blood pressure is slightly elevated (140-160). As the symptoms progress, my blood pressure rapidly skyrockets within a half hour to 160, 170, 180, 190, 200. Then I have hemiparesis or hemiparalysis and dysarthria, and my blood pressure is 200-225. It seems to me the escalating blood pressure is a reaction to the TIA, not the cause.

Please explain why you have ruled out intermittent arterial spasms, showers of embolic clots and atherosclerosis as causes.
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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
It would be worthwhile getting another opinion.

Detailed Answer:
Thank you for getting back with more details.

1. Based on the report, I tend to agree more with UCLA neurologist. We need to pursue the possibility of vasculitis further. I also agree that contrast-enhancement is not a must to diagnose vasculitis. It would be worthwhile getting an opinion of expert neuroradiologist on the angiogram.

2. Regarding intermittent arterial spasms, I have seen a few cases of RCVS (reversible cerebral vasoconstriction syndrome). In this condition, the repeat MR angiogram shows normal vessels after a few weeks. In your case, arterial narrowing was seen in all MRIs. So, I am not considering this possibility.

3. Emboli usually come from heart and aorta. I presume heart and aortic imaging (echocardiogram, CT angiogram, etc) have not shown any source of emboli.

4. Arteriosclerosis secondary to high BP is one of the possibilities I am considering, if vasculitis is excluded.

Best wishes,

Dr Sudhir Kumar MD DM
Consultant Neurologist


Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Brief Answer:
It would be worthwhile getting another opinion.

Detailed Answer:
Thank you for getting back with more details.

1. Based on the report, I tend to agree more with UCLA neurologist. We need to pursue the possibility of vasculitis further. I also agree that contrast-enhancement is not a must to diagnose vasculitis. It would be worthwhile getting an opinion of expert neuroradiologist on the angiogram.

2. Regarding intermittent arterial spasms, I have seen a few cases of RCVS (reversible cerebral vasoconstriction syndrome). In this condition, the repeat MR angiogram shows normal vessels after a few weeks. In your case, arterial narrowing was seen in all MRIs. So, I am not considering this possibility.

3. Emboli usually come from heart and aorta. I presume heart and aortic imaging (echocardiogram, CT angiogram, etc) have not shown any source of emboli.

4. Arteriosclerosis secondary to high BP is one of the possibilities I am considering, if vasculitis is excluded.

Best wishes,

Dr Sudhir Kumar MD DM
Consultant Neurologist


Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (13 hours later)
Dr. XXXXXXX

My neurologist says I do not have arteriosclerosis in my large vessels because there are no plaques present in the usual places, such as where two arteries split. Also, the narrowings have come and gone on their own, which arteriosclerosis plaques would not do, right?

I've spent the day going through my old test results, and found that emboli were monitored for and never found.

So it appears that vasculitis is the most logical answer. It did further analysis of my stroke history, and concluded that there was a 12-month period during 5/1/2015-5/21/2016 when I had continual new strokes, until they slowed down then stopped altogether. I'm wondering if that represents a vasculitis flare up, due to a lupus flare? Then, for the past three years I have had continual TIAs only, and the arteries have settled down into permanent mild stenosis of my distal basilar artery, left ACA A1, left MCA M1, left MCA M2, and right PC. I will wait and hope I never have another flare of lupus or vasculitis.

Another possibility I researched is that it is caused by small vessel disease, which is is more severe for my age than would be suspected. I read that SVD can cause lacunar strokes. But would that cause stenosis in my major vessels?

I had a test for CADASIL and waiting for the results.

Deborah


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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Dr. XXXXXXX

My neurologist says I do not have arteriosclerosis in my large vessels because there are no plaques present in the usual places, such as where two arteries split. Also, the narrowings have come and gone on their own, which arteriosclerosis plaques would not do, right?

I've spent the day going through my old test results, and found that emboli were monitored for and never found.

So it appears that vasculitis is the most logical answer. It did further analysis of my stroke history, and concluded that there was a 12-month period during 5/1/2015-5/21/2016 when I had continual new strokes, until they slowed down then stopped altogether. I'm wondering if that represents a vasculitis flare up, due to a lupus flare? Then, for the past three years I have had continual TIAs only, and the arteries have settled down into permanent mild stenosis of my distal basilar artery, left ACA A1, left MCA M1, left MCA M2, and right PC. I will wait and hope I never have another flare of lupus or vasculitis.

Another possibility I researched is that it is caused by small vessel disease, which is is more severe for my age than would be suspected. I read that SVD can cause lacunar strokes. But would that cause stenosis in my major vessels?

I had a test for CADASIL and waiting for the results.

Deborah


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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (23 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Agree with your reasoning.

Detailed Answer:
Thank you for getting back with more information.

I agree with your line of thinking. The most likely diagnosis is vasculitis/lupus flare. Vasculitis is known to have flare ups, when the symptoms occur.

The only decision to be made is whether or not you need steroids or other immunosuppressive drugs to reduce the risk of flare ups in the future. Based on the reports, the disease seems to be inactive now, however, let the rheumatologist decide on that.

Please inform me the CADASIL report once you receive.

Best wishes,

Dr Sudhir Kumar MD DM
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Brief Answer:
Agree with your reasoning.

Detailed Answer:
Thank you for getting back with more information.

I agree with your line of thinking. The most likely diagnosis is vasculitis/lupus flare. Vasculitis is known to have flare ups, when the symptoms occur.

The only decision to be made is whether or not you need steroids or other immunosuppressive drugs to reduce the risk of flare ups in the future. Based on the reports, the disease seems to be inactive now, however, let the rheumatologist decide on that.

Please inform me the CADASIL report once you receive.

Best wishes,

Dr Sudhir Kumar MD DM
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (14 hours later)
Thank you I will let you know.
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Follow up: Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Thank you I will let you know.
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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (8 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Best wishes.

Detailed Answer:
Thank you and Best wishes

Dr Sudhir Kumar MD DM
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Answered by Dr. Sudhir Kumar (0 minute later)
Brief Answer:
Best wishes.

Detailed Answer:
Thank you and Best wishes

Dr Sudhir Kumar MD DM
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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I Have Had Artery Stenoses All Over My Brain Come

I have had artery stenoses all over my brain come and go, and lacunar strokes near these arteries over a four year period. The doctors are unable to find out why. Differential diagnoses are: intermittent arterial spasms, cerebral vasculitis, showers of embolic clots. Atherosclerosis has been ruled out. Can you see any obvious pattern or cause?