Suggest Treatment For SLE And Severe Joint Pain
Question: I am on weekly Cytoxan therapy for SLE. I have developed severe joint pain, and also significant muscle pain in my upper extremities. Yes, I have obviously experienced joint pain during exacerbations, historically. This is markedly different. I am also attempting to taper down on Solu Medrol, while on Cytoxan. The goal is to get down to the lowest possible dose, for obvious reasons. Thus, I am concerned that this unprecedented pain may be a side effect. Thank you, in advance.
Brief Answer:
SLE
Detailed Answer:
Good evening
Firstly, I would like to clear it...If it is a weekly Cytoxan or monthly..As the doses can differ and the toxicity can differ. Also, what dose are you taking???Why was it started,,like you had kidney involvement or something?
Secondly,I would need more details on the joint..Which ones are involved? Any swellings? Any early morning stiffness??We need to be sure it is not your arthritis flare or something else croping up...
Thirdly, how much is the dose of Solumedrol you are taking...??
Cytoxan is not a very good drug for joint pains...So at this stage I cant say much till I have more details about your SLE...
Do let me know these queries
Regards
Dr Naval
SLE
Detailed Answer:
Good evening
Firstly, I would like to clear it...If it is a weekly Cytoxan or monthly..As the doses can differ and the toxicity can differ. Also, what dose are you taking???Why was it started,,like you had kidney involvement or something?
Secondly,I would need more details on the joint..Which ones are involved? Any swellings? Any early morning stiffness??We need to be sure it is not your arthritis flare or something else croping up...
Thirdly, how much is the dose of Solumedrol you are taking...??
Cytoxan is not a very good drug for joint pains...So at this stage I cant say much till I have more details about your SLE...
Do let me know these queries
Regards
Dr Naval
Above answer was peer-reviewed by :
Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
Good afternoon sir. The Cytoxan is 500mg IV weekly. I have tapered down from 12mg to 4mg of Solu Medrol daily, in recent months. Historically, I had a severe nephritis in 2007-8. This flare, we know based on clinical symptoms and the MRI, I have some new lesions in the peri ventricular white matter, and a vasculitis. "Cerebral vessels have a beaded appearance." I had HTN, and profound fatigue with weakness. I had been working 50+ hours/week happily until then. I did have an ACTH Stim test, and my cortisol was slow to recover, but did recover. CRP, Sed Rate are elevated.
The joint/bone pain FEELS as though the very marrow is ablaze, although I know logically that the cavity doesn't have pain receptors. The muscle pain is oddly primarily in my bilateral upper extremeties, largely above the elbows. It's unlike any muscle pain i have ever experienced in over 20 years with SLE. When weight bearing, then leg pain grows diffusely across my pelvis. Yes, I do realize that I may be deconditioned from less activity since beginning the Cytoxan. However the muscle pain in my upper arms is unrelenting, and they have grown so weak. I know pain and weakness are vague symptoms. I'm sorry about that. I just know it's different than ever before. The Cytoxan seemed the logical culprit. But the drug literature does not really refer to it heavily. Please help, sir. Thank you now, and for your work in Rheumatology.
The joint/bone pain FEELS as though the very marrow is ablaze, although I know logically that the cavity doesn't have pain receptors. The muscle pain is oddly primarily in my bilateral upper extremeties, largely above the elbows. It's unlike any muscle pain i have ever experienced in over 20 years with SLE. When weight bearing, then leg pain grows diffusely across my pelvis. Yes, I do realize that I may be deconditioned from less activity since beginning the Cytoxan. However the muscle pain in my upper arms is unrelenting, and they have grown so weak. I know pain and weakness are vague symptoms. I'm sorry about that. I just know it's different than ever before. The Cytoxan seemed the logical culprit. But the drug literature does not really refer to it heavily. Please help, sir. Thank you now, and for your work in Rheumatology.
Brief Answer:
Muscle weakness
Detailed Answer:
Good evening
Well, if you had ask me we normally dont use such high dose of Cytoxan in our patients, for the sole purpose of toxicity. We usually recommend 15 mg/kg/ on monthly basis. your rheumatologist may be following a different protocol as there are around 4-5 protocols for it and depends which one they are comfortable using...
As for the myalgias, it can be either due to SLE involving the muscles or probably tapering of Steroids. It doesnt look like side effects of cytoxan but the weakness and the fatigue can be due to it. How much of dose you have taken so far??
For now, I would suggest you increase the medrol to 6 mg... Moreoever read up on net about Fibromyalgia as well and see if your symptoms match it, so the treatment can differ a bit
Do let me know for more queries
Regards
Dr naval
Muscle weakness
Detailed Answer:
Good evening
Well, if you had ask me we normally dont use such high dose of Cytoxan in our patients, for the sole purpose of toxicity. We usually recommend 15 mg/kg/ on monthly basis. your rheumatologist may be following a different protocol as there are around 4-5 protocols for it and depends which one they are comfortable using...
As for the myalgias, it can be either due to SLE involving the muscles or probably tapering of Steroids. It doesnt look like side effects of cytoxan but the weakness and the fatigue can be due to it. How much of dose you have taken so far??
For now, I would suggest you increase the medrol to 6 mg... Moreoever read up on net about Fibromyalgia as well and see if your symptoms match it, so the treatment can differ a bit
Do let me know for more queries
Regards
Dr naval
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Above answer was peer-reviewed by :
Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar