Is Anti-angiogenesis Therapy Safe To Have To Prevent Cancer Growth?
I currently take garlic (1100mg), fish oil (2g), and some other supplements in smaller quantities including CoQ10, quercetin, resveratrol, green tea, fruit/veggies (supplements + foods), arginine, bit of cayenne, reishi mushroom, etc. (plus a multivitamin). These are all approved by my primary care physician and have actually assisted me in getting my blood pressure to healthier levels (and help with cholesterol). They're also a more natural alternative (at 34) to aspirin therapy. I try to get a wide variety of everything, but in low-moderate quantities.
Three questions:
- I note that a lot of these are anti-angiogenesis. From my understanding, where cancer prevention is concerned, that's a great thing in regards to cancer risk, as it can help prevent cancer growth. But since that means new blood vessels are less likely to form or grow, can this be a bad thing too?
- I know antioxidants/anti-inflammatories are helpful, but I've read too many can have pro-oxidant effects. As far as I know, I'm not taking a huge amount of anything, and most of what I'm taking are whole-food based, with a few exceptions (and nothing without doctor approval). Is this something I need to worry about?
- I don't take any prescription blood-thinners or anything like aspirin, but I realize a lot of these inhibit platelet aggregation too, but probably to a much lesser extent than prescription options (I have no excess bleeding or bruising that I'm aware of). Would I have any concerns re hemorrhagic stroke/aneurysm risk?
Thanks!
Continue your medications.
Detailed Answer:
Hi XXXXXXX
I am Dr. Jyothi B L and I would like to answer your query.
First query:
It has been studied that growth in normal tissue is very well organized and structured. When the blood vessels are forming, for eg: during pregnancy, injury or menstruation, it is well organized.
However, during cancer growth, the tumor blood vessels structure and architecture is disorganized and fragile, which makes them more susceptible to anti-angiogenesis therapies than normal studies. This weakness is one which can be used against this tumor.
Second query:
Recent studies have shown anti oxidants in excess amounts do turn to pro-oxidants. Each of them perform different function. Eg: green tea - the pro-oxidant effect is known to induce apoptosis (programmed death) in tumor cells, and excess pro-oxidant activity can protect against carcinogenic effects (cancer causing effects).
Still it is early days and further research is necessary.
You can read this article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC0000/
Third query:
Therapy with low dose aspirin is used for treatment of cardiovascular disease. There exists a very small possibility of gastrointestinal and intracranial complications. Numerous trials have shown it to be very small. Data also shows that the risk is 2/1000, but it translates to a protection against cardiovascular event of 10-20% (10-20/100 )
You can read this article:
http://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/research-examines-risk-of-major-bleeding-associated-with-low-dose-aspirin-use-in-patients-with-and-without-diabetes/
Hope it helps. You can continue with your medication.
Any further queries, happy to help again.
Dr. Jyothi BL
I'd like to mention my doctor does know the supplements I take (and any changes I discuss with her the next visit), and I try to keep dosages moderate (the "biggest" at this time are definitely the 2g of fish oil and the 1.1g of garlic). I'm just looking for a professional opinion and have a few followups/clarifications:
1.) So from what you're saying, the anti-angiogenesis food-based supplements I'm taking (ie. the garlic, fish oil, quercetin, reishi, and others I mentioned) may help prevent tumor growth since it's unstructured, but shouldn't significantly harm normal (structured) necessary blood vessel growth? For example, angiogenesis is necessary for wound healing, cardiac function, and brain development. I want to lower my risk of cancer, but my concern is if there's any risk of these things taken synergistically impairing or interfering with what the body needs to do to stay healthy (as from what I've read, angiogenesis inhibitor drugs may have some risks...but that's a prescription medication, not a food). Is your opinion that this isn't a danger with the natural supplements?
2.) I reviewed the abstract/conclusions of the paper you cited - thank you. So do you feel that most of these food-based antioxidants (green tea included, and the others I mentioned above), taken synergistically and given the limited research, are more beneficial than risk of harm from "too much"?
3.) Understood re the low dose aspirin. My doctor actually gave me the option of taking it as my dad died of a heart attack fairly young (early 50's), but as I'm 34 and take natural supplements like the garlic and fish oil that thin the blood and I have no known high-risk factors apart from family history, I'm more comfortable sticking with natural remedies for now (since they have helped me bring my blood pressure down, etc.). I may consider low-dose aspirin after 45. My question was more about whether these herbal/food-based remedies have the same risks or if they are perhaps slightly safer (but potentially not as potent also).
Thanks again!
Follow up clarifications.
Detailed Answer:
Hi XXXXXXX
Welcome back.
Every thing in moderation is always good. Anything in excess can be toxic.
Query 1: Natural supplements are advised mostly as nutrition/drugs in it is of appropriate dosage. For medicated drugs, it is carefully formulated only for specific function. Danger if excess is taken is less in natural supplements compared to medicated drugs.
Query 2: At present, yes. Studies are limited, but proving very beneficial theoretically. So, it can be taken.
Query 3: I am also not inclined to prescribe aspirin below 50 years, as you read, there are certain complications involved. When the real risk of cardiovascular event starts - usually around 50 years, I would prescribe.
As i told earlier, herbal/food based remedies, have low dosage chemicals for these purpose, and I expect them to be safer, but not necessarily useful in performing their functions. Stick with natural remedies for now.
At later stage, you can take medications based on risk factors you may develop.
Hope it helps.
Any further queries, happy to help again.
If you do not have any further clarifications, please close the discussion and rate it.
Dr. Jyothi BL
My takeaways are:
- Natural food-based supplements, in moderate amounts, are generally less likely to be prone to the same degree of side effects of medications such as aspirin.
- Antioxidants are good for you, and in general, although more studies need to be done, pro-oxidant effects from a lot of antioxidants aren't something to worry about at this time.
- At 34, it's not a mistake to hold off on taking aspirin in favor of these natural (preventative) measures until I have a good reason to take aspirin or another medication.
- Regarding my angiogenesis concern, most anti-angiogenesis supplements may help disrupt cancer, but shouldn't harm normal blood vessel function/development.
One last followup topic, and this has to do with aspirin as opposed to supplements as well. I've read there's a suspected link between aspirin and macular degeneration in older people, and it's thought it might be due to strengthening of the complement system of the immune system (to the point of being overactive if you have a certain gene). Some supplements (500mg mushroom complex of maitake, reishi, and shiitake, for example) are thought to enhance the immune system. Would this likely have the same type of risk for macular degeneration, or is it impossible to compare the risk of something like this vs. aspirin as their mechanisms might be different?
Thanks again for your patience in answering my questions. I'm trying to do the right things (including not smoking, exercising, and trying to eat healthier and drink more moderately) to cut down my risk factors, but sometimes it's difficult to know what the best thing to do is regarding supplementation, which is why I'm striving for a wide variety and moderation. What I do take has seemed to make a positive difference in certain aspects of my life, but I also want to be as sure as is reasonably possible I'm not doing any long-term damage at the same time.
Aspirin associated with macular degeneration
Detailed Answer:
Hi XXXXXXX
Thanks for your overwhelming response and you have understood all my points as I intended.
Aspirin association with macular degeneration is present, but exact details of how it might affect is still not studied and might take years.
Mushroom complex does contain plenty of antioxidants, and is known to slow down macular degeneration.
You can continue with the same lifestyle, as you have indicated.
Have a healthy life. Take care.
Any further queries, happy to help again.
If you do not have any further clarifications, please close the discussion and rate it.
Dr. Jyothi BL