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Posted on Fri, 10 Oct 2014
Question: I have been living with my girlfriend for 4 months. She has an 11 year old daughter. I have noticed a number of disruptive behaviors. From age 2 she have been displaying very defiant and aggressive behavior. She has an IQ of 83, receiving special education services for learning, math and written expression disabilities. her mother says she is very defiant, uses very foul language and has anger outbursts where she tips over chairs, throws all the stuff out of her room into the hallway. Last year she experienced 5 deaths in 3 months but only one was a close family member. Since I have been living there for 4 months, she refuses to do her homework, hits herself, stabs herself with a pencil, uses the F word a lot, says she wants to kill us and herself and gets angry when you ask her to do something. A month ago I took her to the doctor and he, a PA, put her on 125 mg of depecote 2 x's a day and says she might be bi-polar. 6 weeks ago she tried to stab herself with a butter knife. This behavior has been going on long before she experienced the 5 deaths and her father's death 2 years ago. My girlfriend says that Raelin never listens to her and gets angry all the time and this has been going on since she was 2 years old. It looks like ODD. She also has a very hard time focusing on the task at hand and cannot retain basic information like telling time, basic math facts of basic spelling. She is in the 6ht grade and doing 1st/2nd grade work. We live in southern Ill and the nearest child psychiatrict who takes Medicaid is XXXXXXX I looked at the DSM V criteria form ODD and she hits 7 of the 8 criteria. TEll me what you think and tell me what to do.

Raelin will walk around the house talking to herself, acting out on the talking to herself, have an argument with herself and throw things.
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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (5 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Certainly not typical case of bipolar

Detailed Answer:
Good afternoon. My name is Dr. Saghafi. I am a neurologist in XXXXXXX OH.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the PA who called her probable bipolar. Self mutilation and very near antisocial personality traits (threatening to harm family members) is anything but bipolar. However, the PA's recommendation of depakote is on the right track....but obviously for the wrong reasons. However, I would be extremely careful on dosing because pediatric patients have different metabolic patterns than adults. You need guidance from a professional though certainly the dose she's on seems inadequate for her condition.

As a neurologist I always recommend getting a full neurological workup first before stating unequivocally a patient has purely psychiatric disorders. Especially, if you're telling us that she has had off center behaviors since age 2. There are specific inborn errors of metabolism which result in patients self mutilating themselves. This is an actual disease process due to an enzyme deficiency and should not be mistaken for a primary psychiatric or psychopathic disorder. The fact that her father had similar signs and symptoms makes it even the more likely that whatever she has as a diagnosis is genetically based. She may also benefit from an imaging study such as PET scan or functional MRI.

Also, I don't believe her behavior has much to do with PTSD as one colleague suggested since the young age at which she began exhibiting problems was long before she would've experienced those family losses.

Have you reached out to the teachers in school? She must have an IEP and her primary school teacher may have some tips on how to control her behavior if you'd ask them. She also may be under the vigilance of the school psychologist who may have some thoughts as to a diagnosis.

However, I do believe that she is best seen and treated (as others have said) by a pediatric PSYCHIATRIST.

Here is a thought that strikes me as I am sitting here thinking about her problem. Many children (including those with borderline IQ's and personality disorders) get a lot of mileage out of something called equine therapy. Ever here of it? Using horses for therapeutic impressions on children. It's done with autistic kids, kids with language disorders, and kids with behavioral and violent reactive disorders. It also goes under the name: HIPPOTHERAPY.

Here, check this link out: http://www.americanhippotherapyassociation.org/

I've also pulled a few contact numbers of people in Illinois who might be able to answer questions for you:

HorseFeathers Therapeutic Riding, NFP , YYYY@YYYY
http://horsefeatherscenter.org      
Lake Forest, IL

BraveHearts at the Bergmann Centre , YYYY@YYYY
Poplar Grove, IL

Midwest Center for Children’s Development
YYYY@YYYY
http://www.mccdtherapy.com      Crystal Lake, IL


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Suggest Treatment For Disruptive Behavior In Child

Brief Answer: Certainly not typical case of bipolar Detailed Answer: Good afternoon. My name is Dr. Saghafi. I am a neurologist in XXXXXXX OH. I wholeheartedly disagree with the PA who called her probable bipolar. Self mutilation and very near antisocial personality traits (threatening to harm family members) is anything but bipolar. However, the PA's recommendation of depakote is on the right track....but obviously for the wrong reasons. However, I would be extremely careful on dosing because pediatric patients have different metabolic patterns than adults. You need guidance from a professional though certainly the dose she's on seems inadequate for her condition. As a neurologist I always recommend getting a full neurological workup first before stating unequivocally a patient has purely psychiatric disorders. Especially, if you're telling us that she has had off center behaviors since age 2. There are specific inborn errors of metabolism which result in patients self mutilating themselves. This is an actual disease process due to an enzyme deficiency and should not be mistaken for a primary psychiatric or psychopathic disorder. The fact that her father had similar signs and symptoms makes it even the more likely that whatever she has as a diagnosis is genetically based. She may also benefit from an imaging study such as PET scan or functional MRI. Also, I don't believe her behavior has much to do with PTSD as one colleague suggested since the young age at which she began exhibiting problems was long before she would've experienced those family losses. Have you reached out to the teachers in school? She must have an IEP and her primary school teacher may have some tips on how to control her behavior if you'd ask them. She also may be under the vigilance of the school psychologist who may have some thoughts as to a diagnosis. However, I do believe that she is best seen and treated (as others have said) by a pediatric PSYCHIATRIST. Here is a thought that strikes me as I am sitting here thinking about her problem. Many children (including those with borderline IQ's and personality disorders) get a lot of mileage out of something called equine therapy. Ever here of it? Using horses for therapeutic impressions on children. It's done with autistic kids, kids with language disorders, and kids with behavioral and violent reactive disorders. It also goes under the name: HIPPOTHERAPY. Here, check this link out: http://www.americanhippotherapyassociation.org/ I've also pulled a few contact numbers of people in Illinois who might be able to answer questions for you: HorseFeathers Therapeutic Riding, NFP , YYYY@YYYY http://horsefeatherscenter.org Lake Forest, IL BraveHearts at the Bergmann Centre , YYYY@YYYY Poplar Grove, IL Midwest Center for Children’s Development YYYY@YYYY http://www.mccdtherapy.com Crystal Lake, IL If you think any of the information I've provided is of value to you would you please leave a bit of written feedback and also provide a STAR RATING to this response. At the same time, if you would also consider CLOSING THE QUERY on your end that will signal to the network that I've satisfactorily answered your question and that the case is now ready to be processed, archived, and credited for future reference. Don't forget also that if you'd like to address future questions to my attention specifically I'd be happy to answer them by going to my personal page: http://doctor.healthcaremagic.com/doctors/dr-dariush-saghafi/68474 and using the DIRECT QUERY function to pass a question into my mailbox. I usually am able to respond expeditiously since there's an immediate alert sent to me whenever a question is received. This query required 27 minutes of physician specific time for review, research, and final draft documentation for envoy. Cheers!