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What Causes Decrease In Hemoglobin After Every Cycle Of Chemotherapy?

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Posted on Mon, 8 Sep 2014
Question: Hello Doctor,

Mother completed her 3rd cycle last week. She is currently having fingernail pains and calves pain continues but somewhat manageable with Tramadol. My specific question is about her HB, her HB drops after every cycle. Till now in 3 months, we did blood transfusion 3 times. At the start of 3rd cycle her HB was 11.5 and now it is 9.1. Is it very common to have such a frequent HB drop on paclitaxel or is it the sign of aggressive disease? She will have PET scan next week and I will update you more on that.



Please advise on HB issue.

Thanks,
XXXXXX
Asked by Me , 2 days ago     
In addition to above- I would like to learn if the survival period of Stage 4 patient can be predicted. I understand even if my mother achieves remission or NED status she is going to have recurrence sooner or later. But, is there a clinical number which will say recurrence will occur after 2 months or 2 years? We have been hearing from people who say relapse will happen in 6 months but there are few who say it can be much longer than that. I will appreciate your comments. I am sure you must be coming across to this question many times.
Asked by Me , 3 hours ago
Regards,

XXXXX
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (43 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Decrease in Hb is normal.

Detailed Answer:
Hello,
Thanks for trusting us with your health concern.
The decrease in hemoglobin after every cycle of chemotherapy is a normal response. This is not related to aggressiveness of the disease. That is why the blood counts are done before and after every cycle of chemotherapy.
In stage 4 patients recurrence is seen but exact time period for recurrence is difficult to predict. Every individual's body responds differently to the cancer cells and the treatment. Some patient do live for even 5 years after being diagnosed with a stage 4 disease. It is really difficult to pin point the numbers.
Please feel free to discuss further. I will be glad to answer the follow up queries that you have.
Wishing you good health.
Regards.
Dr. Rakhi Tayal.
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Follow up: Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (18 hours later)
Thank you Doctor.

This is my mother's 3rd relapse which has shown progression to her liver. She was diagnosed at stage 4 in 2006 with mets to her bones, lymph nodes and right breast. She then had 6 months taxotere, 12 rounds of radiotherapy, double mastectomy which completely removed her cancer. She was on hormonal therapy for one and half year, on arimedix but could not continue as she felt side effects were too much, especially bone pain and hot flashes.

Until XXXXXXX 2013 she did not show any clinical signs of cancer. XXXXXXX 2013 she her progression was with extensive bone mets her spine, shoulder, hip, and couple of spots on skull. She then continued with tamoxifen and zolendronic acid. But since May 2013 she had many problems including frequent infections, acute renal failure and then recently in Feb 2014 pathological fracture to right hip joint. In May she diagnosed with progression to liver. That is when we started NAB paclitaxel chemo, she showed significant improvement right after first cycle, tumor markers dropped more than 60%, after 2nd cycle liver mets were not detectable on USG. Now after 3rd cycle she is suffering with server leg pain, especially calves and thighs to some extent. She has been diabetic but never had leg pain like this before. She is also vitamin D deficient which we have started additionally. But, is there anything we can do to give her relief from calves pain? I suppose that is because of paclitaxel. Please advise. Pain killer like ultracet is not helping her much.

Regards,
XXXXXX
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (3 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Details below.

Detailed Answer:
Hello.
Thanks for writing again.
The calf pain can be due to Paclitaxel or Vitamin D3 deficiency or severe osteoporosis.
In addition to the pain killers regular hot fomentation and local analgesic gel application can help her.
Also give her magnesium rich foods like bananas, beans, chickpeas, fish, nuts, soybeans, spinach etc which are natural sources of magnesium. This will help in reducing the muscle pains.
Hope my answer is helpful.
Do accept my answer in case there are no further queries.
Regards.

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Follow up: Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (2 days later)
Thank you so much doctor. Your suggestions have been very helpful. The calf pain is somewhat manageable but once in while she feels stabbing pain the Calf and which takes some time to subside. She is now experiencing tingling and numbness in lower body, throughout her legs and feet. It subsides after a while, I am guessing that this along with in between lower abdomen pain are side effects of chemotherapy. And, this should go away as she finishes her treatment. Please let me know if you have any advice to manage these side effects. Thanks again for your help.
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (2 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Vit B12 supplements will help.

Detailed Answer:
Hello.
To manage the tingling and numbness she can start with Vitamin B 12 supplements after consulting her physician. Be careful not to bend forward. There can be a minor nerve root compression at the lumbar vertebra also.
Regards.

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (12 days later)
Hello Doctor,

With the recent USG, the liver mets were not detectable so we discussed with the Oncologist about possible chemo break to recover. And, he agreed- so we are not completing 4th cycle right away. However he suggested that she should complete 6 cycles and next 3 cycles would be 3 weekly dose. Oncologist is suggesting to start with 175 mg/m2 dose than the standard 260mg/m2, which will then give 3 weeks recovery time before she starts 5th cycle. Do you think this is reasonable? One of the reasons her doctor mentioned was her nails being badly damaged which he feels are the side effects of weekly dose and she may not have that side effect on 3weekly dose.

My other question is the two worrisome side effect she is currently having
One is burning sensation on buttocks and the area under thighs.
Second is the constant pain she has after the bowel movement. This pain persists for a very long time, sometimes for a few hours. She did have constipation earlier but even with loose stools she is having the pain.

Are these side effect of neuropathy due to Paclitaxel? If yes, are these side effect reversible once the chemotherapy is completed or how long the side effects lasts?

Appreciate your suggestions.
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (25 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
Details below.

Detailed Answer:
Hello.
I think your oncologist is right ion suggesting that we can try a lower dose now that the metastatic foci have disappeared.
This will help in reducing the side effects, give her adequate time to recover while maintaining the disease suppression.
The burning sensation on buttocks and under thighs is due to neuropathy caused by paclitaxel. This is reversible in 8-10 weeks after stopping the chemotherapy.
The pain after the bowel movement is more likely to be due to irritation and degenerative changes in the GI mucosa due to the effect of chemotherapy. This is also a common side effect and it subsides in 4-6 weeks after stopping the chemotherapy. However it is best to give her a soft and easy to digest diet with plenty of fluids orally to help the mucosa to recover.
Regards.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (41 hours later)
Thank you doctor. The neurologist suggested a tablet which helped with her burning sensation. We also took opinion of Gastroenterologist who did some investigation and suggested that her mucosa doesn't have any problem. Could the bowl movement pain be paclitaxel induced neuropathy? She did have similar pain after very first cycle but it went off on its own in 7-10 days. This time pain is lasting for quite long time.
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Rakhi Tayal (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
Can be due to neuropathy.

Detailed Answer:
Hello.
If any damage to the mucosa has been ruled out after investigations then the abdomen pain can be due to neuropathy caused by Paclitaxel. In that case it should reduce with the neurotropic medicines that have been prescribed by the neurologist.
The similar pain after the first cycle also is suggestive of a neuropathy related pain.
Regards.
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What Causes Decrease In Hemoglobin After Every Cycle Of Chemotherapy?

Brief Answer: Decrease in Hb is normal. Detailed Answer: Hello, Thanks for trusting us with your health concern. The decrease in hemoglobin after every cycle of chemotherapy is a normal response. This is not related to aggressiveness of the disease. That is why the blood counts are done before and after every cycle of chemotherapy. In stage 4 patients recurrence is seen but exact time period for recurrence is difficult to predict. Every individual's body responds differently to the cancer cells and the treatment. Some patient do live for even 5 years after being diagnosed with a stage 4 disease. It is really difficult to pin point the numbers. Please feel free to discuss further. I will be glad to answer the follow up queries that you have. Wishing you good health. Regards. Dr. Rakhi Tayal. For future query, you can directly approach me through my profile URL http://bit.ly/Dr-Rakhi-Tayal